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which pipes to buy?

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  1. razgen
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    OK, I need some help making up my mind. I really want to get a set of after market pipes but just cant make a decision. Right now I have the stocks with the plate cut out. I love the deep rumble but want to get something a little better looking with a deep and louder rumble.....

    Low&Mean: bad ass pipes, but will more than likely blue and look like shit
    Mortons: same as above plus have reported fitment issues
    V&H 2-1: Look is OK, not sure about sound, quality is top, less bluing issue
    Cobra swept: like the look, is loud rumble there?, currently leader

    Any input from those with above pipes or others would be greatly appreciated (probably by more than just me!)

  2. tmnbtfuss
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    I just put the Hard Krome Strippers on..... WOW! These babies have a bark to them. Seat of the pants Dyno is good with a PCIII. Also Power Commander has the download for the pipes already, so no guessing there. I love them.

  3. aeon384
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    Mortons are the king of looking good, but the blue factor sounds brutal. I don't think they have any kind of baffles so I'm sure they would sound absolutely monstrous, if that's what you're in to, but you're basically paying $700 for pipes that will blue and look like shit in a short amount of time so... meh.

    Now that I know that Cobra has re-engineered their swept pipes to fix the scrape issue, I'm pretty much sold. If V&H gets their act together and releases a swept pipe in the next 3 or 4 months I'll reconsider, but... I haven't heard any news.

  4. tezerdhi
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    You must check out sampson pipes for the warrior. There is another thread here where a guy put them on and to me they are hands down, the best looking pipes on the warrior! In fact, if you want to buy my swepts (with the new mods from cobra) then I will buy the sampson pipes!

  5. Kremer901
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    With any vehicle, I always thought the point of an aftermarket exhaust is to get more power. Why is everyone cool with losing power to have loud pipes?(cobras)

  6. tfar
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    You don't have to loose power with a pipe change. Put the power cones in the Mortons, put the Thunder City baffles in the swepts, etc.

    Yes you will loose tourque with straight pipes.

    I have a set of swepts I'm thinking of selling with the Thunder City baffles. The swepts do look real good on the bike, just too long for me.

    I'm in Connecticut if anyone interested. Trades welcome.

    Either going Mortons or changing the forward controls and pretty much opens up a lot more choices.

  7. LDIRebroPhil
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    I've always gone with straight pipes in the past....(partial to V&H....they are top of the line in my book). I'm all about trying something a little different though so for me...it's the V&H BR 2-1 this time for the raider. I get the best performance while also getting a radical look. I agree with the thought that you'll either hate the look or love it...I happen to be the guy who loves the look....so the rest of you who don't....you need to go get your freakin' eyes checked, so there!

  8. mintirazer
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    I have a question. I want some pipes as well. Hard Krome makes a set of american classics for the warrior that stop just at the front of the rear wheel (shorties). The american classics for the raider are to the rear axel. I was wondering, if it is possible to cut them shorter. If so, what would i have to do to make sure that they perform. Remap?

    thanks

  9. Ghozd458
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    I have the Swepts. I removed the baffles. Probally the loudest pipes I have ever heard. It did hurt midrange a bit so I installed Monster Baffles and power feels better than ever and they hardly cut down on sound. Im happy. But if I was that worried about power loss and needed speed that bad I would have kept the Busa.

  10. tezerdhi
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    Sure would like to get a set of the stock cobra swepts baffles!

  11. Duksilla
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    Any known issues with the hardkrome American Classic Straights?

    hardkrome.com

    I am going to get these if I buy a raider next week, cause they are currently in stock and they are the shortest 2-2 pipes I could find. I don't really care for them all that much, but I hate the stock pipes and don't really care for any other pipes on the market. I've used some HardKrome slip-ons in the past on a Road Star, and had a set on my Warrior for a week or two before I got the V & H Bigshots. The slip-ons were terrible in every way, they sounded crappy, didn't line up straight, and the chrome was junk. I didn't have them on my Warrior long enough to have any problems, but they seemed ok. The Cobra Swepts look ok, but they won't be in stock for a couple of weeks yet, and I have a ride planned in early August. Same thing with the V & H Big Radius, and I have never cared for the look of a 2-1 pipe (but man the recent posts showing dyno runs with this pipe are pretty impressive). I really would like V & H, or Samson to come out with some decent looking 2-2 pipes, and I think they will next season. I figure get the hardkromes for now, sell 'em used when someone comes out with something I like better.

  12. tezerdhi
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    Like I said, I will sell my swepts. The box with the new head pipes and heat shields are sitting at my door so I gotta take them off anyway. Then I could buy the sampsons...the best looking short pipe you can get for the raider even though it's made for the warrior...I can drill two holes!

  13. daxman389
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    Check out Road Burner, I think they are made by Hard Krome (I'm leaning towards these). Here's a picture, although its not a great one.

    metricthunder.com

    Recently saw and heard a set on a Warrior and they sounded great.

    One question though, someone said in one of the earlier posts that you lose torque with straight pipes. Is that true and would it be a noticeable amount?

  14. Duksilla
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    From what I know, a V-Twin motor loves a 2-1 pipe for max torque. They like a 2-2 for max high end HP, but Yamaha rev-limits the bike so low, that it does not benefit from that. The American Classic Straights have the "boost port" or crossover that allows the 2-2 to act more like a 2-1. The Cobra Swepts have this, as do one of their other pipes. Their drag pipes do not have a crossover. The Speedstar pipes also have a crossover, but they went through no lengths at all to hide it, I don't like the look of them.

    As far as back pressure goes, I don't believe a pipes length has a whole terrible lot do with it IF they are baffled properly. The Samson pipes for the Warrior were always known to kill power when compared to most other pipes on the market. I think it is a combination of them being short and not having proper baffles, in addition to the fact they had no crossover. They looked and sounded incredible, but many people said they could feel the power loss after they were installed. The V & H Propipe was/is pretty much the king of power for the Warrior, followed closely by the V & H Bigshots and the Muzzy's 2-2, both of which looked like 2-2 pipes, but featured a hidden crossover. I would be willing to bet that the new V & H Big Radius is going to turn out to be THE pipe for power on the Raider, but I personally, don't like the look of a 2-1.

    The Roadburner pipes are manufactured using hardkrome's twin wall design patents, but they are not made by them.

    The brand name hardkrome is owned by a company named DG, which is a big name in the ATV/Motocross world. Back in the day, when I was more into that stuff, we said that DG stood for Don't Get, as their quality was pretty poor. My first experience with hardkrome pipes pretty much reinforced that, but that was in '01, and I have heard they have gotten better.

  15. retzdarraiter
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    OK, I need some help making up my mind. I really want to get a set of after market pipes but just cant make a decision. Right now I have the stocks with the plate cut out. I love the deep rumble but want to get something a little better looking with a deep and louder rumble.....Low&Mean: bad ass pipes, but will more than likely blue and look like shitMortons: same as above plus have reported fitment issuesV&H 2-1: Look is OK, not sure about sound, quality is top, less bluing issueCobra swept: like the look, is loud rumble there?, currently leaderAny input from those with above pipes or others would be greatly appreciated (probably by more than just me!)
    cutting out the plate does it f up the bike and how much louder is it?

  16. JrdheFreag
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    I'll be getting the VH Big Radius 2to1... Top performanace with a custom look.

  17. daxman389
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    From what I know, a V-Twin motor loves a 2-1 pipe for max torque. They like a 2-2 for max high end HP, but Yamaha rev-limits the bike so low, that it does not benefit from that. The American Classic Straights have the "boost port" or crossover that allows the 2-2 to act more like a 2-1. The Cobra Swepts have this, as do one of their other pipes. Their drag pipes do not have a crossover. The Speedstar pipes also have a crossover, but they went through no lengths at all to hide it, I don't like the look of them. As far as back pressure goes, I don't believe a pipes length has a whole terrible lot do with it IF they are baffled properly. The Samson pipes for the Warrior were always known to kill power when compared to most other pipes on the market. I think it is a combination of them being short and not having proper baffles, in addition to the fact they had no crossover. They looked and sounded incredible, but many people said they could feel the power loss after they were installed. The V & H Propipe was/is pretty much the king of power for the Warrior, followed closely by the V & H Bigshots and the Muzzy's 2-2, both of which looked like 2-2 pipes, but featured a hidden crossover. I would be willing to bet that the new V & H Big Radius is going to turn out to be THE pipe for power on the Raider, but I personally, don't like the look of a 2-1. The Roadburner pipes are manufactured using hardkrome's twin wall design patents, but they are not made by them. The brand name hardkrome is owned by a company named DG, which is a big name in the ATV/Motocross world. Back in the day, when I was more into that stuff, we said that DG stood for Don't Get, as their quality was pretty poor. My first experience with hardkrome pipes pretty much reinforced that, but that was in '01, and I have heard they have gotten better.
    Thanks for the lesson; it was very helpful. Seems like the HK and Roadburner straights are pretty similar. I haven't been able to find any noticeable difference in appearance...although I've only seen the Roadburner's in person. If the HK have a crossover that might help with the loss of torque on a 2 into 2 pipe, maybe thats the way to go. So far I haven't found anything negative on the HK pipes. I was originally leaning towards the HK 2 into 1 sideburner, but a local dealer said that the inside of the collector gets all sooty and looks dirty after a while.

    One of these days I'll make up my mind.

  18. razgen
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    WOW, what a response....that cleared things up! LOL

  19. Duksilla
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    Well, at least for me DG (company that owns Hard Krome) still equals Don't Get. I got my American Classic Straights today and they are bad. The ends of the pipes are supposed to be flush with each other but they were off by at least 3/4 inch. The way HK builds there pipes, they are 100% non-adjustable, as they have a welded in crossover and the heatshields are welded to the pipe. Additionally, the top pipe had some nasty chrome issues. At the end of the pipe that butts up against the billet endcap was either not chromed or they polished the chrome off, cause it is still clearly showing the nickel, not chrome. Near the front of the lower pipe the chrome was already pitted. I have no idea how these pipes ever made it out of quality control, if they even have a quality control guy on staff. Needless to say the distributor is sending a UPS call tag for them next week.

    I found one of my distributors who had one set of the Cobra Dragsters left in stock, so I ordered them. Seeing as how whatever I buy is going to be temporary, I wanted these to begin with, cause they are relatively cheap. I have ridden two different Raiders with these pipes on, and they sound good enough, but they lack a crossover pipe, so I know they are going to detract from power. The only other choice for in stock pipes right now are the Cobra Speedster Slashcuts and I do not like the look of them plus they are more expensive.

    I also found out the Road Burner pipes are also owned and built by DG. I don't know why they started a second company that competes directly with their established brand, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

  20. FinkerTikhd
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    Sooooo....from what I understand Warrior pipes fit our bikes.

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