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  1. Sbardacuz
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    So Started looking at the Yami Strat and Roadliner. But have determined this is just more bike than I need.

    So looking at the Yami 1100 Classic (which I fit on way better than the 1300! I am 6'4 and 210 lbs).

    Then some guys said I should look at the Kawasaki 900 and the Suzuki 800.

    So here is the breakdown- Good and bad-

    Yami 1100-
    Good-
    -bigger engine,
    -belt drive,
    -fits me very well.
    -High seat height (good for me at 6'4")

    Bad-
    -Carbs, no fuel injection. (this is a BIG downer for me. Wish it were injected!
    -Air cooled (not necessarily bad although I will be doing mostly city driving).
    -2 Valves per cylinder instead of 4..
    -Higher priced

    Kawasaki Vulcan 900-
    Good-
    -Fuel injection.
    -Belt drive.
    -4 valves per cylinder
    -Water cooled
    -Low price

    Bad-
    -little bit smaller engine.
    -Lower seat height (for me at 6'4", that's bad, not good).

    Suzuki C50 (800cc)
    Good-
    -Fuel injection
    -Shaft drive (smooooth!)
    -4 valves per cylinder.
    -Water cooled
    -Low price

    Bad-
    -Even smaller engine
    -Lower seat height

    Ok, so that is my own breakdown. Now in all fairness, I have not even sat on the Kawa and the Suzuk to see how they fit me and that is a huge consideration. I will check them both this weekend.
    But from what I can see both good and bad, it seems that although the Yami may have the larger engine, it seems technologically a bit behind the other two due to no fuel injection and 2 valves instead of 4 for better performance!

    I would really like feedback from you guys here to see what you think? I mean, why the heck is the Yami still using carbs??? Dang!
    Do you think the Kawasaki 900 would be noticably less powerful than the Yami? Remember, the Kawa has fuel injection and 4 valves! Could it perform as well as the Yami or not?

    Thanks in advance for all input!

    Spart

  2. jkd4
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    You said the 1100 fits you better so thats what I would buy.Its not a matter of Yamaha or Suzuki, Kaw. If you dont like to ride the bike because your cramped you will not ride it and then trade it in for a bike that does fit you within a year or so costing yourself a lot of money in the long run. Its shaft drive too, not belt. The higher price will not matter if you are cramped up on the bike wishing for more motor. The 1100 still has carbs for one reason, price. FI would add (at) $1500 to the MSRP.

  3. 2clazzic
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    My 1100 classic is shaft drive.

    I have not ridden any of the other bikes, but do like my Yamaha. I have a friend with a Vulcan, and he likes his just fine too. I haven't had any troubles with carbs, although performance would probably be better with EFI.

    I guess my opinion is to test drive all of them, and compare for yourself Each will have a different feel, and everyone has their own idea of what a bike "should" feel like.

    I would definitely buy my V-Star again, though.

    Good Luck!

    Sean

  4. Sbardacuz
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    You said the 1100 fits you better so thats what I would buy.Its not a matter of Yamaha or Suzuki, Kaw. If you dont like to ride the bike because your cramped you will not ride it and then trade it in for a bike that does fit you within a year or so costing yourself a lot of money in the long run. Its shaft drive too, not belt. The higher price will not matter if you are cramped up on the bike wishing for more motor. The 1100 still has carbs for one reason, price. FI would add (at) $1500 to the MSRP.
    Yep, you're right.. The Yami is shaft drive not belt! Sorry. Thanks for the response. But even with carbs, it is still more expensive than the other two.. course its a bit bigger engine too..

  5. kamezbanger
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    Yep, you're right.. The Yami is shaft drive not belt! Sorry. Thanks for the response. But even with carbs, it is still more expensive than the other two.. course its a bit bigger engine too..
    Consider that carbs are easier to work on also...but anyway...if I was 6 foot 4 I would go for the 1100. I don't understand why the 1100 fits you better than the 1300. Also, what kind of driving are you wanting to do? As far as the too much bike thing...you get over that pretty fast. I would go sit on the other 2 and see what you think, but at your height you are pushing too big for any of these.

  6. bkman
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    My other bike is a Suzuki Marauder - very similar chassis and engine as the M50. The carbs on that bike are a real pain, and the ride is much rougher than the V-Star but it does handle very well. My friend, who doesn't ride yet, is about your height. He thinks my Marauder feels "like a toy", but he is much more comfortable on the V-Star.

    I almost bought a Kawasaki VN900 about two months ago (when I instead went with the V-Star), because the Kawi had everything I wanted - FI, water-cooled (I live in Florida), mag wheels, belt drive and a low price. I couldn't do it, though, because the controls were just not in a good place for me. I felt like I was going to tip over at any moment. The V-Star was just the opposite - despite being heavier. I really struggled with the fact that the V-Star is air-cooled, carburetted, shaft drive (I just would rather have a belt) and laced wheels (which I hate). The paint job, balance, ride and QUALITY of the V-Star really pushed me over. I am much more impressed with the quality of this machine versus my Suzuki, and even the Kawasaki seemed like it was built cheaper. The switchgear, paint, instrumentation and metalwork just seemed lighter and less robust. I don't know if there is anything real to this assesment or if it is just my imagination.

    My comments on the Yamaha - noisy engine (valvetrain and drivetrain). When it's cold, it is a little bit tempermental (it is carburetted, after all) but nothing like my Suzuki. With some modifications, this engine will make very good power and there is a TON of after-market support for it. You will be amazed at how much once you do a search. The ride is very comfortable, and the handling is very good. So far, the air-cooling isn't as bad as I thought. The jugs are far enough apart that they get good air flow. The only difference I notice is when I'm in traffic. I feel the heat a little more, but my water-cooled machine is just as bad once the fan turns on and all the heat gets dumped between my legs at once!

  7. MorkKW
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    Sbardacuz,

    You truly owe it to yourself to talk with not one, but several others who have owned the V*1100 who moved up to the 1300, hearing what they have to say. I've only ridden the 1100 - haven't owned it, but you need to re-consider the 1300 for far too many justifiable reasons. It's the consensus opinion that the 1300 is better balanced than the 1100, handles easier, even during those low speed and tighter situations, cruises so much more effortlessly, plus it's filled with newer technology. It's obviously much more powerful and has a true overdrive 5th gear. In fact, the 1100's RPMs in 5th is almost identical to the 1300's RPMs in 4th. Do the research carefully, speak with others and make the best choice for you, whatever that may be. Otherwise, you'll very soon be scratching your head and wondering why you didn't just buy the bike that's best suited for you and how you ride. When it comes to "pure value," I challenge anyone to find a cruiser that matches up with the 1300. Also, there are some outrageous prices being offered out there right now. Good luck.

    Morg

  8. Sduplyumbr
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    I am 6'1" and I found the Kawi to be to small for me. My 1100 fits me very nice and the ride is much better. Where I am we don't get many hot days and most of my driving is highway so I decided that air cooled was the way to go for me, just one less thing to go wrong. Also, I have noticed that some of the older Kawi's and Zuki's are alway leaking coolant and, I don't like when the fan cuts in and you get that big blast of heat from the motor, I had an old Goldwing and I just hated when it did that. To me carbs are a non issue, but both have there advantages. Just my $.02.

  9. quicgmicg
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    First go sit on both of the other bikes before even considering anything else. It doesn't matter how the fuel goes in or how much power the bike has if it is uncomfortable. GO SIT ON THEM.

    I live in Arizona and my air cooled 1100 has NEVER overheated even in stop and go traffic in 110 degree weather. Air cooled just looks WAY better than water cooled in my own humble opinion.

    Just so you know, the fuel injected Kaw 900 will be every bit as fast as our 1100's with carbs, maybe a bit quicker. Carbs were a turn off for me, but after sitting on the other bikes....my choice was obvious.

    They are ALL great bikes. They ALL handle great and they are great values. however, I've read in magazines that Stars are the most customized metric cruisers out there. that means there is a lot of competition and a lot of different choices for all the custom stuff you'll want to hang on it. It all adds up to being the best bargain out there.

  10. trakon
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    Overall quality, dependability, fit & finish, sound, comfort and maneuverability!
    YAMAHA!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care what model you buy.

  11. Sbardacuz
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    First go sit on both of the other bikes before even considering anything else. It doesn't matter how the fuel goes in or how much power the bike has if it is uncomfortable. GO SIT ON THEM. I live in Arizona and my air cooled 1100 has NEVER overheated even in stop and go traffic in 110 degree weather. Air cooled just looks WAY better than water cooled in my own humble opinion. Just so you know, the fuel injected Kaw 900 will be every bit as fast as our 1100's with carbs, maybe a bit quicker. Carbs were a turn off for me, but after sitting on the other bikes....my choice was obvious. They are ALL great bikes. They ALL handle great and they are great values. however, I've read in magazines that Stars are the most customized metric cruisers out there. that means there is a lot of competition and a lot of different choices for all the custom stuff you'll want to hang on it. It all adds up to being the best bargain out there.
    Ok, so I went to the Kawa dealer after work. Sat on the Vulcan 900 Classic. Really didn't expect it to fit me at 6"4, but honestly, it did! I read a lot of articles and reviews last night and they were all quite complimentary. I do believe that you should not notice a difference in power (from all Ive read) as the Kami does have the fuel injection, but also belt drive and 4 valves per cylinder so I think it is pretty top performance for the cc's it does have. So tomorrow (Sat), I will be test driving both the Yami 1100 and Kawa 900.. And then I will know. I kind of threw the Suzuki out of the mix only because it is dropping another 100cc from the Kami and I don't want to go too small.
    So we will see how it goes. I wish the seat height were a little higher on the Kami, but honestly, I did fit the bike fine. I will take the bike that is the smoooothest with the least vibration. I will get the answer to that question tomorrow with the test drives. Sure love the price on the Kami though! ;-)

    I will report back..
    Spart.

  12. yaro
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    I started looking for a bike with Honda Shadow Sabre in mind. So far everything else that I had was Honda [lawnmower, generator and cage Acura] Went to the dealer and I did not like the look of radiator sticking out the frame. The smaller Shadow has it tucked in a little but it still shows. Then started to look around showroom and liked Yamaha Silverado 1100. Took me trips to 3 local dealers to find one to let me test ride one. After half hour I bought it. It seemed a little to big at first [almost lay it down showing off to my friends] but I got it under control now.

  13. quicgmicg
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    Ok, so I went to the Kawa dealer after work. Sat on the Vulcan 900 Classic. Really didn't expect it to fit me at 6"4, but honestly, it did! I read a lot of articles and reviews last night and they were all quite complimentary. I do believe that you should not notice a difference in power (from all Ive read) as the Kami does have the fuel injection, but also belt drive and 4 valves per cylinder so I think it is pretty top performance for the cc's it does have. So tomorrow (Sat), I will be test driving both the Yami 1100 and Kawa 900.. And then I will know. I kind of threw the Suzuki out of the mix only because it is dropping another 100cc from the Kami and I don't want to go too small. So we will see how it goes. I wish the seat height were a little higher on the Kami, but honestly, I did fit the bike fine. I will take the bike that is the smoooothest with the least vibration. I will get the answer to that question tomorrow with the test drives. Sure love the price on the Kami though! ;-)I will report back.. Spart.
    Please do report back! I'd love to hear your thoughts. Make sure to feel around the bikes too. There is an awful lot of plastic where you wouldn;t expect to find it on some of these things....

    Good luck with your search!

  14. Snufftokk
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    For myself, I would not buy the Yamaha 1100 again. I am not much of a mechanic and it requires entirely too much maintenance for my liking. It is a very good ride though. Has plenty of power. I don't like carbs, would prefer EFI. After I bought it I have been wanting to trade up to either the 1300 or Roadstar. I am only 5'8" 185lbs, but I know I could handle either of these bikes. But like everyone has said here, test all of you choices and the right one will call your name.

    Ride Safe

  15. nunoz
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    Very interested in your findings.

    I'm currently battling over the same decision...kawasaki 900 vs yamaha 1100.

    I'm also 6'4 btw. My main problem is that I plan to ride with my wife most of the time, and although she's light (100 pounds) I'm trying to understand which one will handle better with two-up.

    I'm also going to test the bikes next weeked and will report with my findings.

  16. zvambrad
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    I am 6'3" 245# and my wife is 6' and the 1100 rides us 2 up quite nice. Handles very well, still plenty of power. The only complaint is the stock location of the passenger pegs with her long legs makes her feel cramped after a long ride.

  17. TommjGunz
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    I have a friend who has a Vulcan 900. He took his daughter for a 50 mile ride a couple of months ago and didn't like how the front tire felt light. I don't know about the 1100 but I do know the 900 isn't very good for 2 up.

    I have the 1300 and you don't even know you have a passenger on this bike It has very heavy rear spring. I think it is a little rough for one person but for 2 up it is a great bike.

  18. LiddleBen
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    I chose the 1100 because; I have ridden the Kawa and found it OK but if you really compare the bikes side by side you will find the Kawa and the suki to be of lesser quality. I bought my 1100 as a platform to build on. after a couple thousand dollars and a lot of sweat and tears mine will dyno at nearly 80 HP. Iam 6' 2" and ive ridden Harleys and everything in between. It all boils down to a matter of preferance really. I like the way the 1100 handles looks and feels.It is longlegged enough to run with the big boys yet light and tame enough (at) 50 hp in stock trim for even the most timid novice. I find that mine is comfy enough for 400 mi road trips yet light and nimble enough to whip around town on with no concerns.

  19. quicgmicg
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    I chose the 1100 because; I have ridden the Kawa and found it OK but if you really compare the bikes side by side you will find the Kawa and the suki to be of lesser quality. I bought my 1100 as a platform to build on. after a couple thousand dollars and a lot of sweat and tears mine will dyno at nearly 80 HP. Iam 6' 2" and ive ridden Harleys and everything in between. It all boils down to a matter of preferance really. I like the way the 1100 handles looks and feels.It is longlegged enough to run with the big boys yet light and tame enough (at) 50 hp in stock trim for even the most timid novice. I find that mine is comfy enough for 400 mi road trips yet light and nimble enough to whip around town on with no concerns.
    My sentiments exactly...amen brother!

  20. cph94
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    I own a Kaw 900, bought it in March. It is a fine scoot if you are a smaller person. I am 6'3" and 220 lbs and the bike just is a little cramped. The stock seat is not very comfy at all. Not that it is a bad seat as stock seats go but you end up sliding forward on the thing and then you find you are hunched over. If it allowed you to move a couple of inches back you would be fine I suppose.

    The other main beef I have with the bike is that it is geared entirely too low. I am constantly shifting from 5th to 5th. It needs a taller 5th or a 6th. There is an aftermarket pulley that changed the gear ratio but why spend money right out of the box. I know that folks say it wil run 70 all day but it is busy as hell. You can bet that the Suzuki is the same story as a friend of mine has related having ridden both bikes.

    Don't get me wrong, the 900 is an excellent bike but if you have any size at all it may not be the ride you are expecting.

    Just my 2 cents

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