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My bike ruined my first Biketoberfest!!! Please HELP!!!

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  1. Fulldild1
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    First on your starter relay one wire (red heavy gauge) is connected directly to the (+) battery terminal. Make sure you have 12VDC to chassis/frame ground. When you press the starter button this should activate/close the Starter Relay and provide power (12VDC) to the starter. So measure the voltage from that terminal (Red Starter Relay) to the Starter terminal (under boot) should read 12VDC, should go to near 0VDC when Starter button is depressed. If it stays at 12VDC the Starter Relay is not closing. Get back with me and we'll go from there. I'm at work so there might be a delay.

  2. keorkiaztavk
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    Would an auto parts store be able to load test the battery? If so, I'll get it over there tomorrow.

    I bought the battery new in February when I got the bike. I made the mistake of not getting a battery tender until about one to two months ago, so I'm pretty sure I've worn the battery out a little by not having that. Now, every time I park the bike I hook it up to the battery tender.

    I was just curious about the battery: when I was on the side of the interstate, on of the Road Rangers stopped by and tried to jump start the bike but nothing happened. If a low battery is the issue, wouldn't it have been able to start off a jump?

  3. Fulldild1
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    They should be able to even WalMart can do it. Select a Volts DC Range to put the 12VDC in the center. Usually a 25 Volt full scale range. It should have jumped off, that would have been an indicator the battery was the cause. I think we r past that.

  4. Fulldild1
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    You shouldn't need a battery tender unless you're not riding your bike regularly or storing it. I still have my 2005 Original battery in mine.

  5. einzdan
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    GD, you might have a bad battery, not just one run down. That's why I'd get it checked, it's the easiest thing to do. If the any of the cells in the battery are bad and you don't get it checked you're going to do a lot of needless trouble shooting and still not solve the problem.

    I'd suggest you call the auto parts store to see if they do it. Otherwise take it to a motorcycle dealer or independent mechanic who has a load tester.

    It takes a lot of current to turn an engine over and not much to make a Heatlikhd turn on and even less to make a multimeter arrow read 12 volts on a scale, so Heatlikhds and multimeters are not good indicators of a battery's condition.

  6. Fulldild1
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    He has a bright Heatlikhd, if the battery didn't have capacity it would dim when he actuated the starter and it's not. He has a disconnect somewhere between his + terminal and ground through the starter. He only has one battery. Having the Heatlikhd on "only" is not a good test of the battery

  7. keorkiaztavk
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    Fulltilt,

    I'm sorry I'm asking so many questions about the meter. I'm just not too sure on what all I can do with it and what I can't. When you said:

    "First on your starter relay one wire (red heavy gauge) is connected directly to the (+) battery terminal. Make sure you have 12VDC to chassis/frame ground. When you press the starter button this should activate/close the Starter Relay and provide power (12VDC) to the starter. So measure the voltage from that terminal (Red Starter Relay) to the Starter terminal (under boot) should read 12VDC, should go to near 0VDC when Starter button is depressed. If it stays at 12VDC the Starter Relay is not closing."

    Do I set the meter to the to the Voltage setting and touch the pointed end of the red probe to the red wire going to the starter relay, and touch the pointed end of the black probe to the frame and the press the starter button? And then keep the pointed end of the meter's black probe touching the frame and then touch the pointed end of the red probe to the wire under the black rubber boot on the top of the starter itself?

  8. Fulldild1
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    Set to Volts 25V DC or there abouts range
    1) Red probe on red wire. Black probe to frame. 12VDC result.

    2) Red probe on red wire. Black probe to wire under boot on starter.
    a) with starter button off/ not pressed 12VDC result.
    b) with starter button depressed 0VDC result.

  9. Fulldild1
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    GD BTW I'm out of New Smyrna Beach, currently living in Ft. Worth, TX.

  10. keorkiaztavk
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    Okay after completing the following:

    "Set to Volts 25V DC or there abouts range
    1) Red probe on red wire. Black probe to frame. 12VDC result.

    2) Red probe on red wire. Black probe to wire under boot on starter.
    a) with starter button off/ not pressed 12VDC result.
    b) with starter button depressed 0VDC result."

    Results:

    1) Just over 12 on meter's LCD screen (12.09)

    2a) 12.07 on LCD screen without starter button pressed

    2b) 12.01 on LCD screen WITH starter button pressed

    Meter was set to 20V DC

  11. Fulldild1
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    OK that means that your starter relay is not closing. There should be two small wires on the starter relay. Check both wires to ground individually. Red on wire black to ground. Let me know what you have. Not sure if these are hot looking for a ground or grounded looking for 12vdc. With your readings I can proceed.

  12. keorkiaztavk
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    If you are referring to the smaller wires on the top of the relay, I found a total of four small wires on the top of the relay:

    1) a single blue wire which gave me a reading of 11.70

    2) a single red wire with a white line which gave me a reading of 12.01

    3) two red wires with white lines that both came together in one connection which gave me a reading of 11.68

    *all of these readings were taken with the meter set at 20V DC

    Off subject, what kind of work do you do and how often are you in New Smyrna Beach?

  13. Fulldild1
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    I do Quality Assurance for American Airlines Widebody Fleet. Started fixing black boxes 25yrs ago been a mech most of that time. Couple times a yr at least.

  14. Fulldild1
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    OK so the relay is lookin for a ground. Check all these again but while pressing the starter button. I think the blue wire supplies the ground but this print leaves alot to be desired.

  15. keorkiaztavk
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    With the starter button pressed I got the following readings:

    1) single blue wire = 0.94

    2) single red wire = 11.81

    3) double red wires = 11.11

    I don't think I'm too far from New Smyrna Beach. I'm just east of Winter Haven. We should get together for a ride or a beer if you want next time you're here.

  16. Fulldild1
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    K your starter relay is bad. Replace and Rock on

  17. Fulldild1
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    LOL you got an extra bike? I usually fly in it's free perk for workin for an airline.

  18. Fulldild1
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    You may still have other problems, I don't like the stalling at idle. Just keep an eye on it. Mine idled the same way in traffic at 105 degrees and no stutters.

  19. keorkiaztavk
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    No extra bike, but I may be able to find one...LOL. I guess it's just the beer then.

    I really appreciate all of your help brother. I love this site and the people on it are incredible. If you want to meet up next time you're in Florida, shoot me a message and we'll try to set something up. Most of the time I can adjust my work schedule to accomodate personal plans. Thank you again!!!

  20. Fulldild1
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    Hey I wanted you to try one more thing. That .94 V was bothering me. With the bike in neutral and your meter switched and reconnected to Amps. Put your probes on the neg of the battery and the blue wire of the Starter Relay and see if it tries to start. If your meter doesn't do amps use one of your test leads and short and touch both ends to the mentioned wires.

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