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  1. richartkreer
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    i read in some other places that the middle shaft has broke. i have a 2005 1100 with 2500 miles. is this something to be concered about or is this a rare thing that happens. thanks

  2. quicgmicg
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    i read in some other places that the middle shaft has broke. i have a 2005 1100 with 2500 miles. is this something to be concered about or is this a rare thing that happens. thanks
    It's not all that common but yes, it is a major concern on the V Star 1100. I know of several that have happened. The only preventive things I'm aware of is to constantly check the shaft....constantly listen for noise coming from the area.....and to maybe "stake" the nut to prevent it from loosening. It's not an easy fix if it happens.

  3. bkman
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    ....constantly listen for noise coming from the area.....
    Hey, Mick, how about a little clarification. What area, exactly would noise come from in this situation? Like every other V-Star rider, I'd like to know a little more about this problem. Do you know anything more? Are there some model years that are more prone to this (older ones, for example)?

  4. nikhdhavg
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    Generally the noise is from the transmission area. Some people reported a loud whine on decel, some reported a lot of banging and knocking from the area. A common sign that something broke is that the speedo goes crazy or stops working since the speedo sensor is very close to the problem nut. Unfortunately once the speedo craps out it means the damage is already done.

    As for model years, it's happened on practically all models up to 2006. There is a poll running on another forum which gives some numbers. I believe 2002 was leading followed by 2006.

  5. ritecabdain
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    Generally the noise is from the transmission area. Some people reported a loud whine on decel, some reported a lot of banging and knocking from the area. A common sign that something broke is that the speedo goes crazy or stops working since the speedo sensor is very close to the problem nut. Unfortunately once the speedo craps out it means the damage is already done. As for model years, it's happened on practically all models up to 2006. There is a poll running on another forum which gives some numbers. I believe 2002 was leading followed by 2006.
    AT what sort of mileage does this problem usually tend to occur. ealy or latein the life of the box ????????????? any info as to how to check the problem nut would also be appreciated
    Freddy W

  6. nikhdhavg
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    AT what sort of mileage does this problem usually tend to occur. ealy or latein the life of the box ????????????? any info as to how to check the problem nut would also be appreciated Freddy W
    Well I haven't had this happen to me personally yet (hopefully never). But IIRC mileage varies. It's happened on older bikes with > 30k and even 2006 bikes with < 10k so it's not really a "wear and tear" issue I guess.

    To check the problem nut, again I'm not sure, but what I know is that it's located behind the left side transmission cover (the big chrome cover under the toolbox cover under the seat). There is a U-joint there which joins the middle shaft with the driveshaft. The U-Joint is held in place on the shaft with a nut, which is the problem nut. I'm not sure if it's possible to tighten this without removing stuff but I'm pretty sure you can determine if it's loose or not by poking around in there.

    If you do get round to tightening it up again, you can apply red loctite to the threads, or even stake the nut so it won't back out again.

    Hopefully someone who's experienced this will chime in and give a better reply.

  7. enolz2
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    i have a 07 w/23000 & change, have always had a whine on decel, is that common? what do i need to get at the yoke in order to check the nut? thanx much.

  8. poppj
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    i have a 07 w/23000 & change, have always had a whine on decel, is that common? what do i need to get at the yoke in order to check the nut? thanx much.
    i think the whine you have is pretty common....i know many guys that ride 1100 vstars....they are all older ones...some have 50,000 miles on them....i dont no anyone who has had a problem with the drive unit shaft nut....over the years i have read about the problem....i think its a concern....but i dont think its that common....has anyone ever checked the shaft nut or used locktite on it.....bob

  9. quicgmicg
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    The best prevention is to check the nut and "stake" it in place.

    The 2 guys I know that just had it happen in the past couple months both had immediate banging like things just flew apart.

    Here is a link to some good reading...

    sloneservices.com/SilverBack/VStar1100-FAQ-04.htm#Drive-Train-Problems

  10. quicgmicg
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    Hey, Mick, how about a little clarification. What area, exactly would noise come from in this situation? Like every other V-Star rider, I'd like to know a little more about this problem. Do you know anything more? Are there some model years that are more prone to this (older ones, for example)?
    Sorry I missed your post.....

    We've double checked model years and it seems to be pretty spread out over all of the years but most reported were 2002 and 2006 (the poll is available thorough the link above). So far 27 people in that particular forum have experienced the failure and reported it in the poll. I've only seen the aftermath....and I could email you the pics my friend sent me if you want.

  11. btp
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    Generally the noise is from the transmission area. Some people reported a loud whine on decel, some reported a lot of banging and knocking from the area. A common sign that something broke is that the speedo goes crazy or stops working since the speedo sensor is very close to the problem nut. Unfortunately once the speedo craps out it means the damage is already done. As for model years, it's happened on practically all models up to 2006. There is a poll running on another forum which gives some numbers. I believe 2002 was leading followed by 2006.

    I think that this describes the problem (started a couple of days ago) that I am having with my 2006 VStar 1100 Classic that has just under 5,000 miles. Any time that I roll off the throttle, at any speed above 20 MPH, there is a loud, high pitched whining noise that sounds like it is coming from the front end. The noise will continue until I begin to accelerate again or the speed gets down below 20 MPH. It happens during the brief time that I roll off the throttle to shift gears or when I roll off the throttle just to slow down. It does not matter whether I have the clutch engaged or am breaking (it happens if I am or am not doing these things).

    I took the bike into the local dealership to get their take on the situation. They indicated that it was a problem with gears in the drive shaft....that maybe a nut came loose and the gears are not matching up properly resulting in the noise I am hearing. They indicated that it would take 5 to 7 hours of labor to fix the problem!

  12. poppj
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    Generally the noise is from the transmission area. Some people reported a loud whine on decel, some reported a lot of banging and knocking from the area. A common sign that something broke is that the speedo goes crazy or stops working since the speedo sensor is very close to the problem nut. Unfortunately once the speedo craps out it means the damage is already done. As for model years, it's happened on practically all models up to 2006. There is a poll running on another forum which gives some numbers. I believe 2002 was leading followed by 2006.
    your right about model years...the 2002 has a problem with the drive shaft nut and the 2006 ....other years have less problems...i got this informatiom from a poll on the delphi forum...b

  13. LiddleBen
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    I also read about this problem. After pondering it for a while I decided that it is not as common on US models as it seems to be on bikes sent to the UK. People over there were trying to get Yamaha to issue a recall at one point. I think the joint in question is the front CV joint actually inside the rear of the tranny. The procedure for fixing this if it breaks is to remove the engine from the bike. or pay a dealer more than 1500.00 to fix it. I would not worry too much about this. I understand that it basically just pops without warning. so I donot know if it could be prevented or not.,L.B.

  14. poppj
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    I also read about this problem. After pondering it for a while I decided that it is not as common on US models as it seems to be on bikes sent to the UK. People over there were trying to get Yamaha to issue a recall at one point. I think the joint in question is the front CV joint actually inside the rear of the tranny. The procedure for fixing this if it breaks is to remove the engine from the bike. or pay a dealer more than 1500.00 to fix it. I would not worry too much about this. I understand that it basically just pops without warning. so I donot know if it could be prevented or not.,L.B.
    what gets me is that yamaha new of this problem on the 1999 model....i just checked the poll on the delphi forum....the 2006 1100 has more problems than any other year...you would think this would have been corrected years ago...if the problem is that the shaft nut backs off the shaft....yamaha should have fixed that problem during assembly....i am not a mechanic...but i can think of two ways to stop that nut from moving....you are right about the cost to fix it....$1500 to $2000 at the dealership....some have paid more....the good news is that its not all that common.....bob

  15. adomzdvinz
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    Please Mick, post the pics.

  16. quicgmicg
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    Please Mick, post the pics.
    Here is what I've got...

  17. quicgmicg
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    and the rest...

  18. quicgmicg
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    Also...

    Here is the most current information on fixing the shaft should the problem happen to you. Cost for the DIY repair is usually under $500...give or take.....

    sloneservices.com/SilverBack/VStar1100-FAQ-04.htm#Drive-Train-Problems

    Please read down to the section done by "Cobb"..... it's the most current and is how Steve (the rider who supplied me the pics) did his repair.

    ....anyway.....it's GREAT info. I've heard so many different stories/rumors on this...it's nice to have some real world info/advice.

  19. poppj
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    thanks for the great photos mick...that is a major repair...it is not something i would be comfortable taking on...i would have to pay someone to do it....i hope it never happens to any of us....thanks again..... bob

  20. yy45daco
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    So who all on here has fixed this problem from ever happening to there bike? I think it is good to know but, not really worried about it. Mainly because I do know what to look out for. If I get around to it I think I would like to ping it though. Just to feel more relax about it.

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