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Help reverse the ban on child atvs.

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  1. Wilcon857
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    Please research and contact your congressman to ask them to overturn the ban on youth atv sales because of lead content. This was an oversight in previous legislation and it is causing financial hardships to dealerships everywhere. The bills that need our support are S. 608 and H.R. 1587. AMA websites and www.motorcycle-usa.com have more details. Thank you for doing your part in making the system work for the people.

  2. zaldjtok36
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    Lets not let the few control the many. For the People by the People. My kid is not gonna lick the gas tank and get lead posioning. I don't need some sick twisted political person trying to make a name for themselves by telling me I can't think for myself. The time to take action has come. If not they will take our Bikes, our Guns, our .........beer.......Oh hell no. Do not go gently into that goodnight.

  3. MigejCojode
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    I moved it here for better coverage.

    This doesn't affect me personally but it does play against my sensibilities. You have my support for what it is worth.

  4. Wilcon857
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    MigejCojode. You may not be buying one but it affects all of us. Your dealer sells these atvs and with the ban in place they have lost important revenue. That means they have to make it up somewhere else. In the current economic climate this could push small dealers into a really bad financial position.

  5. MigejCojode
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    MigejCojode. You may not be buying one but it affects all of us. Your dealer sells these atvs and with the ban in place they have lost important revenue. That means they have to make it up somewhere else. In the current economic climate this could push small dealers into a really bad financial position.
    Wilcon857 I know you are passionate about this, as well you should be but look up. I'm Canadian we still have the yard bikes at the dealer. Again you've still got my support, they are taking a valuable learning tool away from your kids.

  6. Wilcon857
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    Oops. That's funny. Well thanks for your support.

  7. SLK929
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    Have already voiced my objection to my political leaders. I now am in favor of everyone calling there federal politicians home and make them explain in person what they are doing. If you ever had a trip to the wood shed, then you know what I mean when I say it is time to take our politicians to the wood shed. By the way did you know that the words politics and politicians come from a Greek work politikea, it is two other Greek words put together to make the one word. The first Greek word is "poli" and gives us the English prefix poli and it means many, the second Greek word is "tikea" and gives us the medical term "tic" which is a small uncontrollable spasm or little jerk. Originally the Greek word was used by the Greeks as word of contempt and insult to describe government officials that they despised. Somehow in America it became a desired position. When I use the words politics, political, politicians, etc. I use it meaning exactly what the ancient Greeks meant which is "many uncontrollable little jerks". When one of our government officials calls himself a politician I agree fully with him. Show me an elected official who isn't a politician and I will show what I call a Statesman.

  8. Goadlocger69
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    Copied from off-road.com

    Publish date: Mar 16, 2009
    By: Press Release
    Source: Dirt Sports

    The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has made available a video public service announcement (PSA) regarding the current ban on the sale of youth off-highway vehicles (OHVs), which includes motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles, intended for kids 12 and under.
    The 54-second video features AMA President and CEO Rob Dingman discussing the ban and encourages viewers to contact their representatives in Congress and the Consumer Products Safety Commission to end the ban.
    The link to the PSA on Youtube is:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjGo5BWIOQ.
    The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA) has effectively outlawed the sale of youth off-highway vehicles (OHVs). According to section 101(a) of the enacted legislation, all youth products containing lead must have less than 600 parts per million (ppm) by weight.
    The CPSC has interpreted the law to apply to various components of youth OHVs including the engine, brakes, suspension, battery and other mechanical parts. Even though the lead levels in these parts are small, they are still above the minimum threshold.
    More information about the ban, as well as additional tools for fighting it, can be found at
    www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=629&s=banner.

  9. flazh680
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    sorry not me. This past winter I observed a couple place their 3 year old on a 120 CC snowmobile.

    not safe at all.

  10. hik4z
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    sorry not me. This past winter I observed a couple place their 3 year old on a 120 CC snowmobile. not safe at all.
    So because you saw some dimbulbs put a toddler on a machine designed for 10 to 14 year olds, you will refuse to help stop the ignorant ban of all motor vehicles designed for anyone 12 or under?

    Not to mention the ban is on anything with over a certain quantity of lead designed for children 12 and under. This would include most battery operated toys, virtually any electronic toy designed for 12 and under because of the lead-solder on the circuit boards. Technically because of the way tire valve stems are constructed, all bicycles designed for kids 12 and under fall under the ban.

    This is not about just letting kids ride minibikes, but about the government being over reactionary, voting a law into effect, with only 1 opposing vote in both the house and senate, without reading it or knowing just what effect it would have. This is about America, land of the FREE, having its FREE legislated out of existence. This is about stopping the nonsense of making everything that is slightly risky illegal. A 1000 times more kids get seriously hurt every year playing pee wee football, Little League, and youth basketball than riding minibikes, maybe we should just ban them too?

  11. flazh680
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    Yep , I am willing to bet that there are other irresponsible parents out there besides the ones I posted about, what makes this country great is I don't have to if I feel its not right. go ahead bash me call me names it still will not make me change my mind.

    I am sure you can do it without my support.

    The LEAD issue is justified. read up on what Lead does to the human body.

  12. Goadlocger69
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    The LEAD issue is justified. read up on what Lead does to the human body.
    And what do you think putting a motorcycle or ATV part in your mouth would do to the human body? I think the lead content of the part would be the least of the kid's worries.

    The lead ban on toys that might end up in a child's mouth is one thing, but banning child ATVs and motorcycles because they have lead and the kid might put it in their mouth??? Come on, that is just asinine. There is no way any intelligent person can defend that stance.

    As for putting a child on an ATV or bike before their ready you are absolutely right. That parent should have their vehicle impounded and their license suspended for a year. However, the only thing that this ban does, other than forcing that moronic parent to put their child on an even bigger vehicle, is it prevents responsible parents from allowing responsible children to ride a reasonable vehicle.

    BTW, what did YOU do when YOU saw the 3 year old in an unsafe situation? I hope that YOU stopped the parents or at a minimum called the authorities.

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    Yep , I am willing to bet that there are other irresponsible parents out there besides the ones I posted about, what makes this country great is I don't have to if I feel its not right.
    Your right, there are other irresponsible parents out there. Your also right that this country is great and you don't have to if you don't feel its not right. Hold on though...I just thought of something...there are a lot of irresponsible motorcycle riders out there...heck lets just ban them while we're at it. But hey, why just stop there. There are a lot of irresponsible automobile drivers out there too. Might just as well get rid of them, after all just think how many people die on the highways everyday. Using your "logic" the government should control everything that might remotely harm someone. After all, the government is more than capable of controlling every aspect of my life aren't they??

    Don't get me wrong, I am not an anarchist, in fact I've been serving my country for the last 24 years, but there are limits to what the government should and should not do. If we see an injustice it is our duty to stand up and lawfully protest it. That is also part of what being an American is about. Freedom is NOT free.

    Pastor Martin Niemöller

    In Germany they first came for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

    Then they came for me —
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.

  13. flazh680
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    You can do it without me so why attack my opinion?

    I have not signed a petition to ban them and I will not sign one allowing sorry MY OPINION.

    thats whats great about this country I don't have to conform to the staus quo.

    BTW children put the damnedest things in thier mouths even touching lead rubs off on your hands. and yes I did call the police the states attorney, they are investigating it now.

    personal attacks are not justified here friend.

  14. hik4z
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    You can do it without me so why attack my opinion? I have not signed a petition to ban them and I will not sign one allowing sorry MY OPINION. thats whats great about this country I don't have to conform to the staus quo. BTW children put the damnedest things in thier mouths even touching lead rubs off on your hands. and yes I did call the police the states attorney, they are investigating it now.personal attacks are not justified here friend.
    If you don't want anything to do with this cause, then why are you in this thread, unless you are trying to antagonize people into attacking you, so you can be self justified in your stance.

  15. Goadlocger69
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    I didn't write nor imply a personal attack.
    You came here and stated your opinion, so did I.
    If you noticed I even agreed with you on some things. Hardly constitutes an attack unless, that is, your feeling guilty about something...

    But I do agree with hik4z, it seems that you replied to the post looking for an argument. Sorry to disappoint I'm not going to argue, but I will discuss things all day long, thats why they call me MR. Opinion at work.

    I just feel very strongly that we as Americans have a duty to stand up for what we believe is right. I fully support your decision not to write your Congressman, just disagree with the reason you stated.

    If you feel that a child should not ride a motorcycle or ATV until they are 12 I can understand that. I just can't understand or agree with banning those vehicles because parts of them have lead in them. Two TOTALLY different situations.

    BTW, Good job with reporting the irresponsible parents. I really do mean that too.

  16. flazh680
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    If you don't want anything to do with this cause, then why are you in this thread, unless you are trying to antagonize people into attacking you, so you can be self justified in your stance.
    I believe I also gave 1 instance as to why I say no.

    If you have a problem report it to the mods , I did not come here and attack anyone as you have me. you really didn't expect a clear unanimous stance saying yes did you?

    Is this 1984?

  17. flazh680
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    I didn't write nor imply a personal attack. You came here and stated your opinion, so did I.If you noticed I even agreed with you on some things. Hardly constitutes an attack unless, that is, your feeling guilty about something... But I do agree with hik4z, it seems that you replied to the post looking for an argument. Sorry to disappoint I'm not going to argue, but I will discuss things all day long, thats why they call me MR. Opinion at work. I just feel very strongly that we as Americans have a duty to stand up for what we believe is right. I fully support your decision not to write your Congressman, just disagree with the reason you stated. If you feel that a child should not ride a motorcycle or ATV until they are 12 I can understand that. I just can't understand or agree with banning those vehicles because parts of them have lead in them. Two TOTALLY different situations. BTW, Good job with reporting the irresponsible parents. I really do mean that too.
    I did not come here to argue either. but shouldn't production stop until they find alternative metals to replace the lead? I bet there is something out there.

    the problem is its about 12 years old and YOUNGER. with no minimum age Which I believe should be 9 or 10 depending upon the childs ability to understand he can get hurt, maimed or worse yet, killed.

    its really about the safety of the child not the control of your life

  18. Goadlocger69
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    I did not come here to argue either. but shouldn't production stop until they find alternative metals to replace the lead? I bet there is something out there. the problem is its about 12 years old and YOUNGER. with no minimum age Which I believe should be 9 or 10 depending upon the child's ability to understand he can get hurt, maimed or worse yet, killed. its really about the safety of the child not the control of your life
    I also believe that children's safety is paramount, I just feel that it's excessive to get rid of all age appropriate ATVs and motorcycles due to lead when the vehicle is actually more hazardous for many other reasons. We have all sorts of warnings that tells us stupid things like don't put hot coffee in our laps while driving. There should be adequate warnings and instructions available to prevent ingesting the minimal amount of lead.

    The manufacture limits the performance of these vehicles so that they can be relatively safely operated by children as young as 6 UNDER PROPER SUPERVISION (which, IMO, is the key). I also feel that age is not the critical determination but rather maturity, there are 6, 12, 18, and 50 year olds who are mature enough to properly operate an ATV or dirt bike. There are also 6, 12, 18, 50 year olds who are NOT mature enough to properly operate an ATV or dirt bike (or even a bicycle for that matter).

    I see this law as taking away the rights of parents who are responsible for properly raising their children in the name of some politician trying to LOOK like they are concerned for the kids. The worst part is that the responsible parents will not allow a child to operate a vehicle that performs above their abilities. The irresponsible parent will continue to allow their child to ride even though the vehicle's performance is above their abilities. That means the kids who actually might be at risk will be at even greater risk, while the kids who aren't at risk are being punished.

    If trying to sum it all up, I guess I just despise the hypocrisy.

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