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False neutrals

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  1. 4mrAkankmpr

    Lately, when coming to a stop at traffic lights/stop signs, I've experienced an abnormal number of times when, after down-shifting and thinking I'm in 1st gear,come time to release the clutch and drive on, I look down and find the bike's in neutral. The bike is near 7900 miles on it. Is this a clutch lever adjustment normally taken care of in the 8200 mile maintenance? Or is it something else? (Just getting a bit annoyed)!

  2. Hacgzav

    This happens to me sometimes with only 5k miles on mine.

    What I normally do is shift to first while rolling to a stop. When I don't do that, I find that when I think I am going from second to first, I am really going from second to neutral.

    I don't think there's really anything wrong with your ride, it just seems to me that the transmission has a hard time finding first when it is sitting still.

    Have you tried shifting to first while rolling to a stop?

  3. fupar

    Doesn't your NEUTRAL LIGHT light up when you go into neutral?

    When you come to a stop, tap the shift lever a few times to make sure you're in first.

  4. retzdaret

    I'm with fupar on this. I hit down a bunch of times to make sure I'm in first for sure. Keep hitting it until you can't any more.

  5. MigejCojode

    It's actually a fairly normal situation on a bike. Especially with some just done being new riders. Or, even more common, a returning rider relearning all their old habits.

    The gearsets in your tranny use a brass "synchro" gear to engage. The synchro gear attempts to match the speed of the of the gear set to the input and output. It's the sort of thing you don't even feel when you are moving. Stopped at a stop light tho, with the clutch in, in neutral and the back wheel stopped nothing in the tranny is moving to synchronize so it sometimes gets stuck on the synchro only popping back into neutral when some torque is applied.

    I'm not sure if that is the case here, doesn't completely sound like it. But the same scenario could apply if you are moving too slowly when you find first. If you are solidly in first with the clutch out and still moving (under power) there is a problem. But again it's usually a problem solved with firmer shifts, another bad habit that we all likely have.

  6. dhekanter

    Releae the clutch lever a bit it'll pop right in.

  7. Hacgzav

    Releae the clutch lever a bit it'll pop right in.
    Yeah, that too.

    Still, try working on downshifting to first before you come to a stop. I have never failed to get into first that way.

  8. 4mrAkankmpr

    Finally think I've found the culprit. I was cleaning the bike yesterday (usually spray it w/B2000 or Muck-Off), wiping down the chrome , when I noticed that the left Yamaha engine guard was nicked and rusty. Closer inspection revealed that the toe part of the heel-toe shifter was contacting it fairly hard. Checking the adjustment specs in the Clymer manual indicated the length of the adjusting rod was to be 6.6". When I started to adjust to specs, I found that it made things worse-raised the rear and lowered the front of the shifter. So-o-o-o, I went the other way, checking to ensure clearance from the engine guard. Now (so far), the bike goes into first gear when I want it to, and up-shifting with the heel shifter is easier and I don't have to lift my foot as much to shift. If this is old news to some of you forum members, realize that this is my first cruiser and bike with a heel/toe shifter!


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