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Distraction & Target fixation

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  1. Goadlocger69
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    Here is a perfectly good bad example of what happens when you are thinking about something other than where the motorcycle is going. In this case the rider was more worried about downshifting instead of where he wanted the motorcycle to go. That combined with target fixation lead to an accident.
    Especially with new riders, the bike will handle a corner faster than you are comfortable with. Just relax and push a bit harder on the handle. That and ALWAYS look where you want to go, don't look at what you want to avoid.

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  2. zmogejyoe
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    Great example, you can see he was not looking around the curve but at the guard rail. Lucky for him there was a guard rail.

  3. fupar
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    ...push a bit harder on the handle...
    Are you referring to Counter Steering?

    Crotch Rocket, Cruiser, or another type of bike.
    You will enjoy the ride a lot more once you learn to counter steer.

    Sometimes I wish that someone would give a quick class on that subject.
    It would only take a few minutes, and it is very easy to illustrate.

    Some of the people I have talked with about this come off with a really bad attitude..."Hey, man, I've been riding for #### years, and no one is going to tell me how to ride".

    On the other side of the coin, there have been others that listened, and took it to heart.

    Ask anyone that knows about it, and they will tell you what a difference it makes. One of the riders in our group, to this day, will attempt to man-handle the bike. She is a great person, but you can't tell her anything about riding a motorcycle.

    When you hear about counter steering, it sounds like someone is trying to get you to wreck your bike. But, like I said, it is very easy to illustrate.

    There are also people that counter steer, and don't even know that they are doing it. That's fine. Just as long as you do counter steer.

    If you find yourself in a curve, and the curve begins to tighten on you, even at a fast pace, you can still manage the bike (as long as you're not going 90 to nothing). All you have to do is push a little harder onto the handlebars, and your bike will 'dig in' a little harder, allowing you to make the curve safely.

    Was this what you were referring to, Goatlocker?

    Be safe.

  4. Goadlocger69
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    Are you referring to Counter Steering?
    Absolutely, push left go left=counter steering. Of course pull right go left does the same thing using the same principle (gyroscopic precession) but it doesn't sing like push left go left
    Anyone who rides any two wheel vehicle above 12 mph is using counter steering whether they know it or not (unless they're counter leaning). You're absolutely right though, they would be able to handle their bike better and may even avoid an accident if they understand the physics of what is happening.

    Mordeth does a really good job showing what counter steering looks like in this video. Just jump to 1:35 and enjoy

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  5. Shebhertezz
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    Countersteering has always come naturally to me. Don't understand why someone needs to think about it. It confuses me to THINK THROUGH how it works.

    Re Target Fixation, this is a story that really brought home the importance of looking where you go: msgroup.org

  6. SdoneGiand
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    Thanks for posting this! I'm spending the winter before my first riding season continuing my training post-MSF course... and lessons like this are ones I need to see again and again. It's not that it's dangerous out there, but mistakes made in a millisecond can be tragic.

    Please keep these lessons coming.

    -SG

  7. Goadlocger69
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    I just recently purchased the Ride Like a Pro video but haven't started practicing yet. You can get a $5 discount by mentioning that you belong to this forum. Check out this thread to find out how.

    Another option is to watch the Captain Crash Videos on YouTube. He may be a bit corny but I like the way he teaches.

  8. SdoneGiand
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    I just recently purchased the Ride Like a Pro video but haven't started practicing yet. You can get a $5 discount by mentioning that you belong to this forum. Check out this thread to find out how. Another option is to watch the Captain Crash Videos on YouTube. He may be a bit corny but I like the way he teaches.

    Crash videos are easy 60-second (or so) bite size pieces of valuable training material.

    Thanks!

    -SG

  9. fupar
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    ...Don't understand why someone needs to think about it...
    I think it's because if you attempt to explain counter steering, like Goatlocker did...

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    ...push left go left=counter steering. Of course pull right go left does the same thing...
    ...it sounds like you are going to end up wrecking your bike.

    "Push left, go left."
    To the beginner, not understanding the physics of the bike, one would think that if he pushed his left handlebar grip forward, meaning his handlebars turned to the right, that his bike would want to turn to the right, and vice versa.

    That's basically the way you learn to steer a bicycle. So it would stand to reason that that would be the way to steer a motorcycle.

  10. Goadlocger69
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    I think it's because if you attempt to explain counter steering, like Goatlocker did... ...it sounds like you are going to end up wrecking your bike. "Push left, go left." To the beginner, not understanding the physics of the bike, one would think that if he pushed his left handlebar grip forward, meaning his handlebars turned to the right, that his bike would want to turn to the right, and vice versa. That's basically the way you learn to steer a bicycle. So it would stand to reason that that would be the way to steer a motorcycle.

    Not 100% sure what your trying to say but if you are saying that twisting the bars to the right will cause you to go right then I can't disagree more (unless you are moving at parking lot speeds).

    If I ride down the street at say about 20 mph, or higher, with only my right hand on the bar, if I push I will go right, if I pull I will go left. And I never even come CLOSE to wrecking my bike. Basic physics.

    BTW, I am referring to GENTLY pushing/pulling, if you YANK!!! the bar then you will most likely wreck you bike.

    These articles go into great detail to try and explain what is going on.
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    Also, here is what is found on page 21 of the MSF BRC Course

    Press: To initiate motorcycle lean, press forward on the handgrip in the direction of the turn. This is referred to as countersteering (the front wheel briefly points in the opposite direction of the turn). Press left handgrip, lean left, go left. Press right handgrip, lean right, go right.
    Hope they help

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