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Breaking in my 950

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  1. yyaj69
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    Hi all,

    I'm fairly new here and this is my first thread. I just purchased a brand new black cherry 950 tourer after months of reasearching sitting, riding and looking for the best deal, Finally!!!! I pick it up next week. Anyways, I've never owned a brand new bike and was wondering what the best way to break in a Yamaha would be. I'm sure everyone knows of the two popular methods, ride it hard through the gears (Motoman) and change oil a lot or do what the manual says. I just want to do it right, you only get one shot.

    thoughts or advice?

  2. peertuge
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    I believe ride it like you always will but im a firm believer in alot of oil changes on a break in. This is how i do it first 100 miles oil and filter,600 miles oil and filter, 1000 miles syn oil and filter then you good for 3-5k miles although i stick closer to the 3k mark per change!!

  3. TheGoltj
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    I tried to do it "by the book", but I know there were probably times where I ran it at the same speed for maybe a bit too long or whatever. I mean, taking it home from the dealer involved 30 miles of freeway driving. I think that as long as you don't abuse it (no drag racing until it's broken in), you should be ok. Going by the book is always the safest way, but it's so unrealistic to run the bike that way in real life that most people just can't do it, at least not in a reasonable timeframe. I've now got over 5000 miles on mine and there are absolutely no problems.

  4. Zoom181
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    There are definitely different opinions on that. Everyone I talk to in person has said to ride it like I always will. These people's opinions that I have ask are long time riders and I respect their opinions or I wouldn't have ask.

    I am hoping to bring a new bike home this week also and it will be a 60 mile trip and I know that I won't be able to baby it.

    I broke my 650 in like I was gonna always ride it, I didn't try to find people to race with, I just rode it as normal as I could without going from one extreme to another. It's a fantastic bike!

  5. Cabri103
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    Jay, Welcome!

    I have almost 4000 miles on my 950. Like you it was my first new bike and I had the same questions about break in. Looking on the net you'll get opposing opinions as you have found out. I went to the service manager at the Yamaha Dealer where I bought the bike and asked him about break in. This is what he told me. "Ride the bike easy for the first 500 miles, that means no really high revs or prolonged rides at steady speeds. After 500 miles pick it up a bit but still no Really high revs, IOW don't try to see what the bike will do, and most importantly no prolonged rides at steady speeds, change gears a lot. After 8-900 miles ride it like you normally would. I also changed the oil at 300 miles and took it in for the 600 mile maint check and another oil change. I'm going to go to a synthetic oil at the 4k maint check up.

    Phil

  6. 1wzdar320
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    My 950 tourer now has 975 miles on it. I did not do it "by the book". Once the engine was warmed, I started by running it through the first three gears, making sure to load the engine, and I did not hit the rev limiter. I made sure to back off the throttle and down shift to create as much vacumn as possible when slowing. I did this several times. I rode through the country at varying speeds, accelerating, slowing and varying the load on the engine as much as possible. This was done in about 100 miles without stopping. I changed oil and filter at 108 and went directly to Mobil 1 15w-50 silver cap synthetic. My son was amazed at the amount of break in metal that came out of the engine ( I wasn't ). I then continued to ride at varying speeds and throttle loading until I changed oil and filter again at just over 600 miles. VERY little metal came out in this change. To me this confrms that most of the break in wear occurs in the first 100 miles. After the second change ( again with Mobil 1 15w-50 silver cap ) I rode the bike normally. The 600 mile check was done by the dealer yesterday at 880 actual. No problems other than the front end "clunk". The bike runs great and feels like it is ready to go anywhere, do anything. I want to emphasize that I never abused the engine during this break in, just that I did not follow the book. I am a firm believer in doing the first oil and filter change early and see absolutely no reason not to use synthetic oil from the first change. Mobil 1 15w-50 silver cap has a robust additive package and very little moly. NO clutch slippage. Motorcyle specific oil certainly is not mandatory. I am now using Hi-Flo oil filter, no issues.

  7. MorkKW
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    Your bike will be fine and run great regardless of how you break it in "to a point." One method may be better than the other, but that "other" way won't necessarily be bad for your bike, but it may not be "as good" for it, either. Please don't interpret this as a "do as I do" message. It is in no way meant as that. But, it's also what I have done for almost 40 years, shared with me by a world class racer and race team, all being members at that time of the famous STP driving stable. It's the same method that's practiced by the majority of all of those who are bike builder and racers, both for their racing and street bikes, exactly as I've also successfully followed both on the track and on the street, having never wavered from this method.

    This first link is quite similar to my break-in method.
    motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/NewBike.html#BreakIn

    Another closely related method, with some added valuable technical information is found here:
    mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

    FYI....I changed my oil at 43 miles, at about 550 miles and then at about 2,550 miles, at which time I switched to Amsoil. For those who don't adhere to this exact schedule, they actually can switch to a FS a little sooner.

    Take care.

  8. yyaj69
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    Well, this is just about what I expected. It sounds like there are a lot of experienced riders out there that all have different opinions on the break in and they all seem to work. Honestly I believe this is good, it seems that engines are built so well now a days that less precision is necessary to properly break in a bike. I will be changing the oil at least 3 times within the first 1000 miles as I'm seeing that this is the time that the most metal is extracted. Thanks for all of your opinions and help, I'm learning a lot on this site.

  9. Zoom181
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    Thanks for the links Morg, I read the first one and will read the 2nd when I have the time, good info in my opinion for me to have in mind when I pick up my new bike soon. If I get the bike I think I'm getting then I will be riding it home which is approx. 60 miles. I will have the oil at home and ready to do the first oil change then.

  10. TheGoltj
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    Morg, don't the 950s have ceramic lined cylinders? And wouldn't that change the "normal" break-in procedures? It seems to me that even as engine designs change, the same old "old school" methods for break-in are recommended. In fact, the exact same break-in procedures were recommended for my first new car back in the early 1970s as they are for brand new cars today. This despite all of the changes to engines in the past almost 40 years.

    The composition of the interior of engines has changed over the years, with ceramics replacing bare metal and tolerances have improved drastically due to the use of computer controlled robotic checkers. What was "proper" for all-metal engines and older machining methods may or may not be needed any more.

    Now, I'm not advocating ignoring the manufacturer's advice or any other advice for that matter. You're never going to go wrong by following the manufacturer's recommendations to the letter. Whether they're actually necessary any more is definitely a matter of opinion.

  11. MorkKW
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    Hi Goldy.

    The 950's engine, as is the 1300, as the the Honda VTX's, as is the Kawi Vulcan's, are all totally irrelevant as to the value and purpose behind this method. The articles you read are totally updated and are not at all copied and pasted from 'old-school' thoughts, or ideas. : )

    This is also why they're controversial, partially due to many of today's mechanics not having a clue about anything other than what they've either read in a service manual, or were taught by someone who only knew that which the manual laid out in the form of technical application.

    Please re-read the beginning of my info. There are some who will abide by certain issues, others who abide by contrasting issues. You decide what's best for you. Regardless, while it's 'impossible' to disprove the method as described, it also doesn't mean it's the one you'll chose, sometimes due to a lack of understanding, often because of what is outlined in a manual stated in writing....such as the silly recommended break-in speeds for every model of Yammy sold on the showroom floor.

    Breaking it in differently absolutely isn't wrong, as previously stated, but there will be a difference found if you were to tear down two engines, one done in each manner as described. And this difference isn't going to create a mechanically troubled engine. I doubt that anyone here in the forum will keep their bike that long. : )

    Take care.

  12. rekkae3
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    qouting Morg " as the silly recommended break-in speeds for every model of Yammy sold on the showroom floor."
    I hope so after following Morg for the first two Sundays after I bought my new 950 and watching the speedometer in HORROR as we flew down the highway.
    Seriously I believe both schools of thought are fine. As long as you don't do anything really stupid. IE: Wheelys out of the show room etc the new bikes are really getting to be bullet proof. Just had my 600 mile check up and will soon also switch to synthetic oil also

  13. Zoom181
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    As long as you don't do anything really stupid. IE: Wheelys out of the show room etc
    Say HUH? You mean I CAN'T do a Wheely out when I pick up my new bike? Well dang and dang again!!!!

  14. yyaj69
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    Lot's of really good advice here, I have another Question. I've read that doing the Motoman method of break in will give your bike and added 2-10% horsepower down the road. My question is will you even feel that on a cruiser? I would suspect you'd feel it more on a crotch rocket. Also wouldn't the feel of your bike be relative to you? If I were the only one who's ridden my bike than a year from now the only point of reference on the performance of my bike is my own experience, therefore I wouldn't have any other point of reference to determine that my bike has 2-10% more horesepower because I broke it in a certain way.........Crap, I think I just confused myself!

  15. froto
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    For the first 600 miles I rode it like an "old man," this was very easy, since I am an old man (71) But as soon as I took it home from it's 600 mile service, I started riding it like a 25 year old...I have 5000 miles on it now and it's running great!

  16. Cabri103
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    <<<<since I am an old man (71)>>>>

    LOL and here I thought I was the only old fart around here at 62!

  17. Shebhertezz
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    I broke mine in according to the book but being that I'm in the country and ride mostly highway, I didn't get a chance to vary the speed very much - other than when I was in town. So there were rides where the speed was fairly consistent - as consistent as I can ride considering I don't have Cruise! So I hope I broke her in OK....

  18. vacgerxxx
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    Question. You mention very little metal came out on the change. How do you know this? I only ask cause I use filtermags and I cut the first few oil filters open and was amazed on what the magnets held to the inside of my oil filter. Here is a link to what all the gunk looked like in my oil filter. ronbarthelt.com/Ram19.html

    take care

    My 950 tourer now has 975 miles on it. I did not do it "by the book". Once the engine was warmed, I started by running it through the first three gears, making sure to load the engine, and I did not hit the rev limiter. I made sure to back off the throttle and down shift to create as much vacumn as possible when slowing. I did this several times. I rode through the country at varying speeds, accelerating, slowing and varying the load on the engine as much as possible. This was done in about 100 miles without stopping. I changed oil and filter at 108 and went directly to Mobil 1 15w-50 silver cap synthetic. My son was amazed at the amount of break in metal that came out of the engine ( I wasn't ). I then continued to ride at varying speeds and throttle loading until I changed oil and filter again at just over 600 miles. VERY little metal came out in this change. To me this confrms that most of the break in wear occurs in the first 100 miles. After the second change ( again with Mobil 1 15w-50 silver cap ) I rode the bike normally. The 600 mile check was done by the dealer yesterday at 880 actual. No problems other than the front end "clunk". The bike runs great and feels like it is ready to go anywhere, do anything. I want to emphasize that I never abused the engine during this break in, just that I did not follow the book. I am a firm believer in doing the first oil and filter change early and see absolutely no reason not to use synthetic oil from the first change. Mobil 1 15w-50 silver cap has a robust additive package and very little moly. NO clutch slippage. Motorcyle specific oil certainly is not mandatory. I am now using Hi-Flo oil filter, no issues.

  19. 1wzdar320
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    When I did the first oil/filter change the metal debris was quite visible in the oil drained from the engine when viewed in direct sun light. When I turned the oil filter upside down some more oil with a lot of metal debris drained into the pan also. When I did the second oil/filter change the results were quite different, with VERY little metal present, again viewed in direct sun light.

  20. peertuge
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    When i did my first 3 oil changes i cut the filters open and checked them the first one at about 100 miles had alot of metal in it. The second at 600 miles had a little not much. The 3rd at about 1000 had just a couple of flecs this is when i went to syn oil. Doing the first on very early is very important imho especially after what i saw during the process.

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